【摘要】 通过回顾水雁飞和张准过去十二年的合作，展开了对中国青年一代建筑师和结构师之间一种更开放的协作方式的探讨。从开始基于项目的点状探索，到后来由当下议题所引发的系统性考察，二人拥抱多样的不确定性，也成为他们共谋的最重要线索。访谈以“可塑”“规范与菜单”“压缩物”与“堪用”四个议题,讨论了一系列项目的设计问题和协作策略，以呈现在这些偶然性、不确定性背后那些一以贯之的思考。更多还原

【Abstract】 By reviewing the past 12 years of collaboration between Shui Yanfei and Zhang Zhun, the interview explores a more open approach to collaboration among the younger generation of architects and architects in China. From the initial project-based pointbased exploration to the later systematic investigation triggered by the current issue, the two embraced a variety of uncertainties,which also became the most important clue of their collusion. The interview discussed the design problems and collaboration strategies of a series of projects under the four topics of "plasticity" "code and recipe" "hardtack" and "affordance", in order to present the consistent thinking behind these contingencies and uncertainties.更多还原